to walt,wa6vnu, thanks walt if i had a better radio i could have gotten through better and sooner , it took me a few times to get the doppler correct and so i lost some time with that , and after you fadded out i still was able to hear my self all the way untill i fadded out , and no one elts was trying, good fun, and i 'll keep trying , low passes are easer for me , and when it s over the pacific there is less people on it also so that help me also, well thanks again walt,,73's , jim, k6mox